10 responses to “cutting labels”

  1. Blind Dayze

    cutting & signing right away..

  2. Ta'fxkz

    man, i grew up not able to afford the branded clothes – dreaming of the day i would nonchalantly have the amphibian on my chest or the denim label to slip my belt under … i would envy the shoe prints of the kids in school who made a statement of the brands they represented it was in early 2000 that i stated discovering the concept of No Brands, and i discovered it when a corporation was trying to capitalize on those who did not want to flash a brand. Later it was a Calvin and Hobbes strip that got me thinking…Now 5 years since the first time we met for a beer, i think i am ready to puke on all brands without exception. I now say that Cutting the label is not enough, if you already voted for them with a purchase – they really care 2 hoots about 2 kids cutting the labels. Neither am i too enthused about brand Greenpeace – and i am not sure my 2 bits/bytes worth digital petition (sounds petty, i know) will make a dent beyond click through catharsis and imaginary sense of victory/involvement in revolution bigger than myself. The real battle (to me) would be, to talk to more people about Plachimada, Bopal and their bastard cousins. To frame alternatives to dependence on corporations. To spit blood at the mention of dehumanized amorality in any shape or form (be it profits or policy).

  3. feddabonn

    blind: cheers!@ta: ah, din mention…all our 'brands' were cheap pirated copies. you pretty much had the option of slapping on any label you wanted on a pair of jeans or shoes. in an odd way, piracy (clothes) is consumerism at its worst, now that i think of it. label cutting and digital signatures may make little 'impact', but at least they indicate a consciousness about the issues involved. is that 'enough'? no…nothing is ever 'enough'. would protesting on the streets "make a dent beyond click through catharsis and imaginary sense of victory/involvement in revolution bigger than myself"? would picking up a gun be any more than that?symbols of resistance are precious, and often because what we are fighting ARE symbols. if coca-cola were destroyed, would plachimada be safe? if the tatas were destroyed, would singur be safe? if the home minister were to change, would the tribes be safe? all of these are just symbols, and are easily replaced. this is not a war that will ever be won.you have said your real battle is: 1) to talk to more people. why discard a talking point (label cutting/digital signatures) that has proved a very good *talking point?2) to frame alternatives to dependence on corporations: i agree with this, and i can see how label cutting and signing online petitions does not make an obvious difference here. but wouldn't these smaller actions at least get people started on that track of thought?3) i'm not sure i understand the bit about spitting blood.

  4. Ruahines

    Kia ora feddabonn, The Nigerian delta (one of most oil rich places on Earth) is another place raped and pillaged by Shell, in this instance, where the people live in squalour as the money flows into the coiffers of the multinationals with a few Nigerians in the pay. We read little of what happens there. We read and hear ad nauseum now about the Gulf in the states simply because it is has now happened to a mainly white developed western technocrat nation now feeling what is liked to be raped instead of being the raper. Bhopal is another technocratic Hall of Shame banner of course. It all seems so overwhelming at times. Will sign and send the petition. Cheers,Robb

  5. feddabonn

    it does seem overwhelming robb. times like these, i go back to one of my favourite poems: september 1, 1939, in which auden saysDefenseless under the nightOur world in stupor lies;Yet, dotted everywhere,Ironic points of lightFlash out wherever the JustExchange their messages:May I, composed like themOf Eros and of dust,Beleaguered by the sameNegation and despair,Show an affirming flame. i couldn't put it better.

  6. Ta'fxkz

    i fear our urbanite wars being reduced to symbols i refuse to participate in any resistance that hangs on me entering my email id which is already in the public domain unless there is a comprehensive follow up plan that i can a) believe in and b) i can object to if i disagreed at any pointGreenPeace is also a brand and i like some of the things they do like, i dislike my buck stopping with a signed petition Today we do not get to see public executions and i feel our urbanite culture leaning towards these mouse click protests that it almost inoculates real engagement.Remember what Michael Moore said in the end of the movie The Corporation, "they expect you to watch this and do nothing, it is in your hands to prove them wrong" while i take his words with a large dose of celebrity salt, i think he has a point worth thinking about(i typed a much larger response and lost it) The spitting blood is a pushed metaphor that i guess i will trip on and confuse even more, so i will leave that out for the moment.

  7. Ta'fxkz

    "refuse" is a strong word, but i am trying to say i am suspicious of any "resistance" that requires so little participation from their patrons

  8. Anonymous

    hmm. i think i see what you mean. to tease a little more of your thought out though…are symbols ever 'just symbols'? doesn't history show that people have been most willing to die for symbols? while communism, christianity, islam and 'freedom' are concepts, their symbols seem inalienable.we all choose our levels of engagement. in an urban/online world, don't our mouse clicks 1) increase the width of low-level engagement (eg. robb signing a petition for india) and 2) keep people engaged who would otherwise be entirely disengaged?i understand your argument for *more engagement. however, is it an either or, discrediting (us) marginal protestors?~baruk

  9. Ta'fxkz

    Depth over breadth is the direction i think i gravitate towardsI guess i will pass on having my "ideas teasing out" parse

  10. feddabonn

    fair enough…i think we need both. cheers!

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